James Corbett: Biosecurity is the New Governance Paradigm for the Planet

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Geopolitics & Empire · James Corbett: Biosecurity is the New Governance Paradigm for the Planet #258

James Corbett discusses where his head is at after all these years of doing what he’s been doing and what’s most pressing on his mind at the moment. He agrees that the COVID1984 biosecurity state is one of the central problems facing humanity today. The Digital ID system is being implemented in the very near-term and will then be forwarded through social credit scores and CBDCs. James warns against hopium and that although we’ve won some battles, we are not winning the war. He discusses how he views the elite global power structure and their visions of the future such as eugenics, transhumanism, and technocracy. He gives his thoughts on the prospects of future war, how to think about deep politics, as well as solutions.

TRANSCRIPT

Geopolitics & Empire:

The Geopolitics & Empire podcast is joined by James Corbett. The man, the myth, the legend. Señor Santiago or Jaime, as we would call you here in México. How is the Great Reset going in Japan?

James Corbett:

As well as can be expected. In fact, actually given what is happening in other parts of the world, it’s going extremely well here in Japan, which is not something I would’ve predicted beforehand.

But before we start, let me just give a little plug for your podcast. I’ve been enjoying it quite a bit recently. I appreciate the fact that you’re bringing in a lot of different people with, from a lot of different perspectives.

Some of whom I agree with, some of whom I slightly agree with, some of whom I violently disagree with, but I do appreciate that you do get a broad range of opinions on.

Geopolitics & Empire:

Yeah, thanks for that. You know, I was just going to say, it’s kind of funny that here we are two, I guess former English teachers turn podcasters, content creators, whatever you want to call it. And the Geopolitics & Empire can’t hold a candle to the prolific work of corporate report, but it’s funny.

I had you actually on my future guest list and then the friend of mind pointed out that recently you had actually mentioned me in your Kazakhstan Episode, which I thought was flattering. And I thought it was a good time now than to shoot you a mail.

But you’ve had quite the ride over the past decade, plus putting out a huge library of important work and meeting so many interesting people. I’m just curious now, how has the ride been for you? How does it feel? Has your work ethic changed much? How have you changed or stayed the same through all of these years?

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James Corbett:

Well, I guess on the personal level or on the work level, I don’t think that my work ethic has changed. I have just always been particularly self-motivated, which is a good thing when you’re basically doing this for yourself and by yourself and with yourself.

Just talking to a screen most days, if you’re not self motivated to get out of bed and start doing things, it’s probably going to be a problem. But luckily that’s never been a problem for me. So in that sense, I don’t think anything’s changed.

In fact, the one thing that has changed is when I started, of course, I was just doing this as you say, kind of as a hobby. But it was essentially a second full-time job after my full-time job of teaching.

But luckily after four years, I was able to mass enough of an audience and support in order to start doing it full-time. So now I don’t have that burden. But now I also have a family, which is obviously a demand on my time as a stay-at-home father. So I juggle a lot of balls, but luckily I’m able to do that.

However, in terms of what I’ve… the way I’ve changed in my operation or the way I think about things or the way I approach things, I think I’ve been consistent in some of my core principles and things, but I have certainly changed on certain topics and certain ideas.

And obviously, I’d like to think that as my research, as I’ve done more research, I’ve come to a more nuanced understanding of various things. Probably the biggest change that has occurred in the demonstrable in the time since I started to now would be my conversion from statism to some flavor of anarchism. I think that’s a pretty big change to make politically speaking.

Geopolitics & Empire:

Yeah. Speaking of anarchism, I was just going to ask you, by the way. I think… Have you been to Mexico for Anarchapulco?

James Corbett:

I’ve been there twice. Yeah.

Geopolitics & Empire:

How did you enjoy Mexico? Is it someplace… A lot of people are fleeing to Mexico. Is it a place you’d recommend?

James Corbett:

I recommend… Actually, I have a questions for COVID on this specifically, I think it’s called, where should we run to? I think it was number 74, but don’t hold me to that. Anyway, you can find it on my site. Where I address that question, because I get that question a lot from people at least a couple of week, every single week.

I want to move. Where should I… What country should I move to? I cannot and will not answer that question for anyone because it’s such a personal question dependent on a thousand different personal context sort of things.

So, for some people, I’m sure Mexico is a great place to go. For others, I’m sure it is not. And I wouldn’t presume to say either way. For me personally, what is the secret stew that made it so that when I got to Japan, and was planning to stay here for one year, I’ve stayed here for 18 years.

What is it about Japan that drew me to it and I felt comfortable? At this point, I feel more at home in Japan than I would in Canada. So why is that? I don’t know. That’s a million different personal things that go to that.

But people always ask me, why did you go to Japan? Like, as if it was some sort of big political decision that I made or some sort of calculation or strategic thing. No, I was a young, dumb, single, carefree was just looking for a way to kill a year and make some money. So I’ll go teach English in Asia. And it turns out I really liked it in Japan. That’s the long and short of it.

As it turns out, that was actually, I think very beneficial for me in a number of ways. One of which is that because I was not fluent Japanese speaker in Japan at in early 2000s. My lifeline, the sort of the thing that I was getting information and news and things from was online.

And so, I was a very early adopter of podcasts and what have you, because it was just a very easy way for me to stay in touch with what was going on back home in Canada. And as a result of that, I think I was early on the wave of things like podcasting and other things, which helped me out in the long run.

And, also, I think it is easier to do this work that I do from a remove. I talk a lot about Canada and the US and other places. But it’s good to have that actual distance, so I can sort of see things from afar and get a different perspective on them.

Geopolitics & Empire:

Yeah. My story is the same. I thought I’d go to Mexico just for a year or two. I became a Mexican. I’ve been here for 10 years and even Mexicans ask me, why’d you come here? And I’m like, “I’m still trying to figure out the question… the answer to that question,” so that’s just life. You know, life happens.

And as you say, I agree when people ask me, should I go to Russia or Mexico or Latin America? And I often tell them, it might be better just to stay put where you are. So I wanted to get your thoughts on what’s most pressing you at the moment?

There’s a lot of questions I can ask you. And often I ask my guests, what’s on your mind right now? I cover a lot of top topics, but I’ve kind of gotten tired of the geopolitical war talk with this, US, Russia, cycle at the moment. And I kind of view it as a bit of a diversion from COVID1984.

The great reset and all that it entails is my number one worry, at the moment. That includes this cyber pandemic and all of this stuff that you and I and listeners know about. I’m kind of disregarding all of this talk of the restrictions being canceled.

Many of the articles that I’m reading, in fact they say, “Oh, we’re getting rid of the restrictions”, but they still outline that the COVID passports are here to stay. And here in Mexico they’re already operating, they’re already talk about expanding them.

So now they’re attempting to install this global social credit system, which went in place will basically turn off my ability to do anything. I don’t think I’m exaggerating that it will literally starve me and my family to death. That’s kind of my worry, that’s on my radar. What’s what are some of the things on your radar at the moment?

James Corbett:

Well, I think my thoughts are very much in line with that COVID1984 has as much to do with a virus as Watergate had to do with a hotel, which is to say nothing. It’s not about that. And so whatever happens in terms of this pandemic that we’re living through right now, it doesn’t matter.

The infrastructure for the biosecurity state is being laid, has already to some extent, been laid and will not be pride out without some major revolutionary times to come. So that’s definitely forefront in my mind, at least for this particular moment and what we’re living through right now.

And I have always, and will always cite one of the writers and thinkers that helped me to not understand this, but to articulate it. It was Giorgio Agamben, who was the one from whom I got that term biosecurity and he formulated it very simply, very precisely in a very early on.

And I think he definitely saw where this was going from a very early stage. So for people who don’t know about Giorgio Agamben, he wrote a… He’s an Italian philosopher. He’s written about states of emergency and how they are used to override constitutions and other things, which basically, I think shows that the political, the governance paradigm that we live under is not really what we think it is and can change at a moment’s notice as we have seen.

And he’s really articulated what this is and where it’s going, and the fact that this is a new governance paradigm for the planet. For example, when he did an interview in May of 2020, so very early on called Polemos Epidemios, where he said an epidemic as this is suggested by its etymological roots in the Greek term demos, which designates the people as a political body is first and foremost, a political concept. In Homer, Polemos Epidemios is the civil war.

What we see today is that the epidemic is becoming the new terrain of politics. The battleground of a global civil war, because a civil war is a war against an internal enemy, one which lives inside of ourselves. And it goes on to say, it is important to understand that biosecurity both in its efficacy and in its pervasiveness out does every form of governance that we have hit to known as been able to see in Italy.

But not only here, as soon as a threat to health is declared, people unresisting consent to limitations on their freedom, that they would never have accepted in the past. Well, that’s a pretty good articulation of what’s happened over the past couple of years.

And as I say this, this has nothing to do with the particularities of this particular moment, and people who have followed my work for any length of time, hopefully know by now.

I was talking about medical martial law over a decade ago, because precisely because the legislative institutional groundwork for this has been laid over the past couple of decades at the very least.

So this particular thing is being used as the moment, okay, let’s pull the trigger on this, but the gun was already loaded and ready to go. And it didn’t take a crystal ball to see where this was going. This is the new governance paradigm for the planet, for at least until the next one comes along.

We went from the homeland security state of the early two thousands into the biosecurity state without missing a beat. And there are a number of parallels there. And I did a piece in 2020 on September 11th, I released COVID 9/11, where I specifically drew those parallels between homeland security and biosecurity.

And you can look at some very specific examples. I believe it was the clear health pass was something that was started in… or 2002, 2003, something like that as part of this screening process at airports before the homeland security state and screening for terrorism and what have you.

And that company has effortlessly switched over to, well, now they’re going to be providing the health check screening passports that now won’t just be at the airports. Now it’s moving out into your everyday life. And exactly, as you say, it’s creating the infrastructure for a state where they can turn your ability to participate in society on or off with a flick of a switch.

So I guess what I see coming is, in the very near term, yes, all of this vaccine, health passport is just the fig leaf for the implementation of the digital ID system, which will then be used and forwarded through social credit scores and the central bank digital currency, which is what I see as the midterm in the next five years.

We are going to start seeing the implementations of CBDCs in various countries, which will be directly controlled by central banks. They will be able to algorithmically control money itself so that if they want to impose limits, for example, we want… we need to quarantine this city. So your CBDC wallet will no longer work if you leave the city and we have your GPS, because it’s on your smartphone.

So we know where you are. We know who you’re transacting with. We know what you’re buying at every moment that you’re buying it, we can allow or disallow that transaction. That is the nightmare in the midterm. And then long term, unfortunately, within the next decade, I do see hot war geopolitical war as a very real possibility.

Geopolitics & Empire:

Yeah. I had a similar view, actually I had Agamben’s book on my wish list. Now I’m going to get it that you mentioned it. And I think about a year ago, I think I was one of the first to interview, Robin Monotti, the architect; and he was mentioning, Italian architect and he was mentioning Agamben.

But I think this… Some of the… What we’re seeing goes back even way further like a century. I interviewed the Jewish historian, Edwin Black, where he talks about the algorithm ghetto. And on his show just two weeks ago, the topic was how in 1938, the Governor of Connecticut, Eugenicist had drawn up plans to actually take people.

They deemed as undesirables, send them to extermination camps in the Ozarks. We’re talking about Connecticut in the United States in 1938. So he lost reelection, so that plan just never came to fruition, but he was influenced by the Nazis who were in turn influenced earlier by the American Eugenicist.

So it seems like what they’re trying to do now, they’ve been trying to do this for a century. And it’s insane, and as you say, a lot of people say, I’m too pessimistic or cynical, but I don’t see this going away like we’re in it.

They’re laying the infrastructure. There’s a lot of hopium going around, but I’m just kind of like bating down the hatches and kind of preparing for the worst. It’s just… I mean, what are your thoughts going forward?

James Corbett:

Yes, I agree. We should not be taking this lightly. As we’re recording this, I wrote an editorial just the past weekend called Do NOT Go Back to Sleep, this is not the end, because I see the same sort of rhetoric going around.

People celebrating. Yay, they’re rolling back the restrictions. Yes, okay, let’s be happy about the steps that are being taken in the right direction, but we may be winning certain battles. We are not winning this war, not by a long shot. Not yet. So there’s a lot more work to be done.

On that note that you mentioned about the historical context for this and stepping back and looking at the bigger, bigger picture of where this is coming from and the ideology behind it, I think that’s extremely important to be able to understand that this is not just the happenstance incompetent boobs, bumbling their way through a response to this thing that came up, oh, what are we going to do?

Now, this is part and parcel of a plan that is in line with an ideology that has been pervasive at the very least demonstrably for over a century now. And I tried to tie that history to get other in my, How and Why Big Oil Conquered the World documentary, where essentially, what I see is the early iteration of this philosophy ideology guiding principles of the oligarchs was framed around the concept of eugenics.

The pseudoscience of eugenics that developed in the late 19th century in England, but quickly spread to the United States and then to Germany, etcetera. But, of course, after World War II, when all of that, well, it’s… we can’t really claim to be eugenicist anymore. It’s kind of got a dark. We don’t want to have those connotations.

So we have to take an underground. And the American Eugenics Society and others explicitly said, we need start crypto eugenics. You had Julian Huxley, the founder of UNESCO writing in the founding document of UNESCO. We need to make eugenic policies thinkable again, all of this.

Well, how do we do that? Well, you have people like Julian Huxley and others who come together in organizations like the World Wildlife Federation. What a wonderful thing? Yay! All these very rich, very powerful people coming together in conservatorship, kind of organizations, World Wildlife Federation, these sorts of things that are just about protecting nature.

And then we get the next iteration of the eugenics ideas, which was reformulated as population control to save the planet and population control in every sense, not just in terms of numbers and controlling fertility and sterility and what have you. But also controlling the population and what they can do and what they’re allowed to do.

And that starts to go into the burgeoning environmental movement, which becomes a way of restricting people’s ability to access various parts of nature. And eventually, of course, who can own and what will we do with this nature. And that’s culminating, as I was reporting late last year in this Global Financial Alliance for Net Zero, which came about at the top 26 in Scotland.

Where they’re talking about, oh, we’re going to form these new natural asset classes, which will then be traded by the trustworthy people of Blackstone and other such investment companies. And we’re going to have these billionaires stewarding over the world’s natural resources in the name of saving mother earth, of course.

And where I see this going long term is into the next iteration of the same idea, the fundamental idea of eugenics, which for people who don’t know, look it up, but essentially the idea that there are certain people who are genetically fit to rule over others, they are genetically superior and their genes deserve to be propagated into the future.

The genes of the poor and the criminals and the mentally defective, they need to be removed from the gene pool. That’s essentially what we’re talking about. It’s just a justification for ruling class ideology, but the long term, the next stage of that is going to be transhumanism. And that sounds absolutely crazy to the average person as it should, but don’t talk to me or to the average person talk to Klaus Schwab.

And the world economic forum, the fourth industrial revolution, talking about the merging of our digital, biological and physical identities, the brain chips, and all these crazy ideas that, again, it’s not James Corbett we’re talking about. It’s Klaus Schwab and his cronies talking about these ideas that are coming that will be tied into the central bank digital currencies and the digital IDs and the social credit scores and the vaccine passports, which for some reason, they’re calling green passes in country after country.

I wonder if there’s some carbon credits that are coming in the future, you’ll have a carbon allowance that you’ll be allowed to spend each month, which ties into technocracy, which is an entire other idea, which ties very nicely into the eugenic story that I’m painting here. Where, literally, it was a plan to structure the economy, not around dollars and cents or pesos or yen, but around jewels of energy.

And you will be allotted a credit of energy each month by the technocratic rulers of the technique who rule over you. And they will allow you to spend a certain amount of energy each month. So products and services that you buy will be priced in units of energy.

And this will all be balanced by the scientists and engineers who know best for you. Again, all of this fits together. And to anyone who doesn’t understand or doesn’t know any part of what I just talked about, that just sounds like I just verbally diarrhead all over the place for the last couple of minutes.

But when you start to know all of the pieces of that puzzle and how they fit together, it is absolutely breathtaking. And that is the reason why people like yourself know that whatever little rollbacks we’re getting on this or that mandate here and there is not the end of this battle.

Geopolitics & Empire:

Yeah. I just saw recently someone I interviewed some months ago, the Australian Senator Malcolm Roberts, he’s going all out and he’s just been weekly now talking about this Australian Digital Identity Bill. And basically using the same language as you, he’s saying that they want to put our all aspects of our lives to make it a subscription service to them.

As you laid out every single aspect of our lives, and I don’t know how important this is. How would you qualify this system? For me, it’s not that important. It’s ultimately total. It’s a totalitarian system that’s going to have total control, the financial aspect, money and power. But we hear, you’ve mentioned biosecurity states, technocracies, some people call this Marxist, monopoly, capitalist, transhumanist. It seems to be like this beast that’s got flavors of each, how would you kind of qualify it?

James Corbett:

Yes. In a sense, perhaps trying to put the definitive single label on it is self-defeating, precisely because it can morph and change shape to suit whatever the etiology of the moment is. I always point out that hundreds or thousands of years ago, people believed that their rulers were either literally gods or appointed by God to rule over them.

That doesn’t fly in the modern, enlightened, scientific era. So they needed to come up with a news story. Okay. It’s genes, actually, when eugenetics started, they didn’t even know about genetics per se. Mendel was still doing his pea pod experiments and stuff.

So they didn’t really have any actual scientific basis for it. They just called it germplasm. And said, “Well, our germplasm, our goo is better than your goo. And this is the scientific way of doing this.” So they will morph and change the narrative to suit whatever timeframe they happen to be in.

And I think the one for the coming decades is going to be technocracy. It’s going to be, don’t worry guys, the scientists trust the science. They know what’s best, these people in the white lab coats know everything.

Where do the people in the white lab coats get their funding and resources? And no, never ever think about that question. No, it’s just, they’re floating on clouds and they will tell you what to do. And I think that’s going to be the fig leaf of justification for this in the coming years.

So I think, for example, Patrick Wood has it nailed. I think this is technocracy as the governance paradigm they’re going to go with for the coming decades. And that’s going to dictate the way that this unfolds and it’s a nightmare, unless we are aware of this and consciously working towards. And I wouldn’t even say fighting against the implementation of the system so much as building up the actual alternative to this system.

Because their entire system is going to be predicated on being able to control and monitor and disallow any interaction or any transaction with any person in real time through their technological control. We have to build up the alternative infrastructure for an alternative economy now.

We should have been doing it 20, 50, a hundred years ago. But, hey, might as well start today. And if we don’t have that in place by the time this CBDC and all of these things are in place, it will be game over for free humanity.

Geopolitics & Empire:

Yeah. I talked to Patrick about a month ago. And on this podcast, we often talk about parallel structures, parallel economies, to talk about a bit about Mr. Global. Then there’s a lot of smart people that I interview. And as you said earlier, when you listen to my podcast, people have to get it through their head that I don’t necessarily agree with my guests, but you got to hear different points of views and a comment. A listener was telling me like, “Everyone’s got a little piece of the puzzle that maybe you didn’t think about before.”

And so I’ve got guests, like recently I had on Ron Unz, who thinks that COVID was a US bio weapon launched against China. Right before that, I spoke to Jeff Nyquist who thinks it’s a Chinese-Russian bio weapon launched against the US and the west.

And then before that I had the Dutch academic Kees Van Der Pijl, who wrote the fantastic book States of Emergency. And I agree with him where we’re seeing… Other people that I’ve talked to, like Michael Rectenwald as well, that point out the same that we’re seeing factions of ruling elites or ruling elites in all nations.

They have some sort of a global network where they’re working together, because how else can you explain all nations from Mexico to Kazakhstan, where I used to live, to everywhere, applying the same measures. And so, I mean, what are your thoughts on… what do you think is going on? Is there this one global power structure that’s infiltrated all nations?

James Corbett:

Yes, essentially yes. To a certain extent. So let me clarify that. But let me say, I have listened to all three of those conversations and although I disagree to some extent with all of them, I certainly agree the most with Van Der Pijl? Was that his name?

Geopolitics & Empire:

Yeah.

James Corbett:

Yeah. He was more in line with the way I’m thinking about this. Although I tend to disagree with his economic framing and what have you. But, yes, clearly this is more than a nation state 2D chess game that’s being played right now.

And so for people who are interested in this, I have talked at length a number of times about the concept of 3D chess, geopolitically. I’m sure this is not a new concept of people by this point in 2022. But essentially, no, I do not think that the nation states waring against each other is the entirety of the game, so to speak.

I think it is part of the game, but I think there are forces and bodies that clearly and demonstrably over the past couple of years are enacting an agenda across nation state borders. And a clear example of this, whether you think Russia are the good guys in some fight against evil NATO, or whether you think that they’re the bad guys that we should be trying to contain.

In any sense, just look at their COVID policies and the vaccine passports and the vaccines rolling out and all of this, it’s wow, it’s almost identical to what’s happening in the west. Wow, I thought these were arch rivals. What’s going on here? And then you start to look at the actual specific people like the CEO of Sberbank. Gref? I forget his name.

Geopolitics & Empire:

Yeah. [crosstalk 00:26:54]-

James Corbett:

People like this that are clearly connected into the world, economic forum, explicitly, and organizations like this. And I always try to stress, I don’t think the world economic forum is running the world. But I think it’s a good example that you can put your finger on.

Oh, here’s an organization with all these spokes that tend to go out into all of these different places that connect all of these players and all of these different supposedly waring countries. What’s going on here?

And I’ve talked about this many, many times. I will point once again, and I will always make the caveat that I’m not promoting this person. But I think it’s a good one to use it to people who are to point out to people who are skeptical, that in 2008, the mini Kissinger… What’s his name? He was the head of Kissinger and Associates for some time, he ran foreignpolicy.com. He’s a beltway insider in Washington.

Geopolitics & Empire:

Is that Rothkopf or something?

James Corbett:

David Rothkopf, right? Right. Yeah. He wrote the Superclass, which was a book talking explicitly about this. The fact that there are actors who are not necessarily politicians, they are not in national governments who… there’s about 6,000 of them who are a superclass, who are able to enact agendas across national borders.

And, of course, every time he was giving Rothkopf, every time he was giving a speech about this or an interview in that time period, when the book came out, he was like, “Oh, I’m not a conspiracy theorist. This isn’t a conspiracy theory. I’m not. Don’t tell me [inaudible 00:28:25].” But everything he’s saying is exactly what the crazy conspiracy theorists are alleging.

That, yes, there is a superclass that is an oligarchical elite that is able to enact an international agenda through various bodies and things like the world economic forum, or like the Bilderberg group or these other places of power and influence where clearly there is an international agenda being set and implemented, again, as we have seen over the past couple of years. So, yes, clearly there is some much, much bigger thing happening right now than merely a nation state 2D [inaudible 00:28:57].

Geopolitics & Empire:

I’m going to show my Putin coffee cup. I’m not a Putin fanboy. I have it for fun. I picked it up when I was in St. Petersburg few years ago. But I think people have to think, imagine how you, whatever citizen you are of whatever country, how you feel with your own government, right?

As you said, you left statism and you became sort of an anarchist. And I think a lot of us understand that our governments are evil. You read RJ Rummel who I think came up with the term democide. Death by Government. In 20th century, government killed the most people was the cause of most deaths.

Now imagine, if you’re a Russian living in Russia, you’re going to feel the same way as an American feels against this corrupt American government, as a Russian against its own Russian government. There’s no reason for us to think the Russians are any better or the Chinese or whatever other country.

And in fact, Riley Waggaman, who I’ve interviewed, who was former RT, who is in Russia. He lays out, his subtech is amazing. He’s showing you how Russia’s going full great reset. And actually, he’s going to be contributing original material articles for Geopolitics & Empires, so people [crosstalk 00:30:06]-

James Corbett:

Awesome. Good. Yeah. He’s doing good work. Let me put in a plug for him. I agree, I think, yeah, it’s incredibly important to see it from that perspective, because it can be easy for someone in America or somewhere else to look at. Oh, well, Putin such great leader in such the, it’s easy to say that when you are not actually in Russia beholden to the Russian system,

Oh, the Russian vaccine passports are just so much better than the American version. Like what? What’s going on? No, clearly, yeah. It’s important to keep that perspective in mind that we should not be idealizing. Or then the other flip side of that, of course, is that it’s not I’m saying, oh, you know, we should go in and invade Russia to free them from Putin. That’s, again, that’s the wrong, wrong way of thinking about it.

Geopolitics & Empire:

So I’m trying to bring up these are some of the big questions for me as we’ve been discussing. And war also which you mentioned that you think coming, where are now? 2022 towards 2030 USC war, I see the same and a number of my guests have said the same.

I’ve talked to the Australian, Special Forces Australia, one politician, Riccardo Bosi who thinks, I’m a historian, I studied history. He’s like, “The default and history is war. Peace is the anomaly. We’re going to have war again.”

The question is kind of what’s it going to kind of look like between who, where, the consequences. And many other guests have also said the same that they see war from between 2025 closer to 2030. But it’s just that kind of interesting dynamic as you laid out, we’ve got these, these snakes that have infiltrated as you laid out our national government.

So they’re working for this global kind of power, but yet at the same time, we’ve got this overt kind of rivalry. We’re seeing now between US, Russia, China, and other states, and that will eventually go to war. So how do you explain the logic behind that? I guess what one past guest also discussed that war allows them to transform the entirety of society as well, so they can use that very much to their advantage. So what are your thoughts about war in the future?

James Corbett:

All right. So I sometimes tend to just say that I’m not a cartoon conspiracy theorist, where I think there’s one group that controls everything and they all meet in a smokey room. But let’s lay that out in detail. It’s not like there is a thing called the elite and you get your membership card to the elite.

And along with that you get the plan and here is the plan and here’s what’s going to happen. And here’s what you have to do with this. And does anyone think that’s how it works? I certainly don’t. So there are different players involved in this game who are at different layers of eliteness.

And in sort of whether they’re on the inner side of the inner circle or the outer side of the inner circle, or the outer side of the outer circle. And different levels of understanding who are, have their own motivations, individual psychology, let alone sort of where they’re, what they believe that they’re doing and what part they’re playing.

So I don’t think there is a singular plan that everyone is working towards. So there is a 2D chess game that is part of what is happening right now. And there are nation states that do have militaries and I have no doubt that a lot of people in the military of their respective nation states are on board with the idea of the 2D chess war.

And they really do see it in that those terms and they really are working towards containing, if not eradicating the enemy in the simplistic terms, etcetera. There are certain people above them who may be giving orders or funding certain things into existence, or what have you that are at a different level of the game, who might understand things a bit differently and might have different allegiances.

They might have some allegiance to their nations state of origin, but they might have allegiance to some sort of broad category of economic interest or their fellows in various organizations, etcetera. So again, a lot of people different understandings and levels that they’re playing at.

So, one way that hot war can actually eventuate is the hot head on the wrong day, firing the… pulling the trigger. But once there is enough pieces in place on the chess board, it just takes one wrong move at one wrong time to put the clockwork machinery into motion.

And that’s one way of looking at World War I. Yes, the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand started World War I. Why? Like what… How did that motivate all these different people? Well, because the clockwork machinery for all of this war was already in place, all it needed was a trigger event. Did it matter what the particular trigger event is? Well, not necessarily, no, it was a trigger event and it set everything into motion. Everything had already been set up.

In the same way, again, like I’ve been trying to stress with the biosecurity state. All of the pieces were in place. Everything was there, all it needed was a trigger event. Does it really matter what particular trigger event it is? No it’s already set up.

So I think all of the pieces are being put into place right now for a hot war scenario. So will it matter necessarily what the particular trigger event is? Well, yeah, it’ll be interesting to see, but does it matter in terms of whether or not war originates? No, not necessarily.

My bigger sort of perspective on this, because people say, “Well, okay. If they’re both sides are controlled by the same people.” And again, I think that might be a bit too simplistic way of putting it, but why would they then have, why would they need war at all if they control everything.

Well, again, I don’t think they control everything. And besides the point of war is… Has always been to get land resources. I mean, these are the geopolitical imperatives throughout history. But at this stage, the war is not against Russians or Chinese or Iranians or what have you. It is against the people, the free people of the world.

That is what we’re talking about in this ideology that we’re talking about. Ideological battle, the eugenics or transhumanism or whatever way it’s being framed in our current timeframe. The real war is against the people that’s governing structures that want to consolidate power over more and more people.

How can they best do that? War might be a way to do that. To consolidate control because one of the automatic effects of any war time is everyone rallies around the flag and supports, “Okay, we’ll do what you say.” Obedience becomes immediate and almost universal, which is certainly helpful.

Especially, during times of incredible geopolitical, economic, societal, chaos, uncertainty, a lot of things can happen. Clearly, there are some real revolutionary forces that are happening right now, and it’s starting to manifest as, for example, the Freedom Convoy in Canada, whatever you make of that is an expression of people calling out. No, this has to change. Something is really wrong here.

And what’s a good way to get people in line? U”h-oh, look at what Russia is doing. Okay. Now everybody, we have to go.” So that’s one way of framing this. But that’s why I actually did a piece on how will World War III be fought a year or two ago. In which I answered that question.

I was talking about some of the technology for warfare that has really changed what warfare will look like in the future. In the same way, World War I looked nothing like war of the 19th century. World War II looked nothing like World War I. World War III will not look anything like World War II.

But the actual answer is that World War III is already happening. It is a war of the governments of the world against their own populations. And in that war, that’s the real… the gain for all the marbles. So one way of envisioning 2D chess taking place in this 3D chess universe, 2D chess war is 1984.

You have Oceania, you have Eurasia, you have East Asia and they’re always at war. Or at least we’re told, we’re at war with Eurasia, no. East Asia? Oh, I got to check the newspaper. Oh, it says Eurasia. Okay. I guess we’re at war with them today.

And there’s bombs dropping down and we’re being told it’s well, I guess it’s Eurasia. We’re at war with Eurasia now. Okay. It must be them, I guess. I don’t know. Anyway, we’re at war. So we have to just do what the government tells us.

That’s one way of thinking about this. Obviously, I don’t mean it in that literal sense. There will be real bombs dropping in the event of real hot war and they will really kill people. But the idea that this is being waged simply at that 2D level. And that it’s about a nation state versus a nation state rather than control of the general population. I think we have to get out of that mindset of thinking of it at that nation state level.

Geopolitics & Empire:

And speaking of mindset, I kind of wanted to bring this up. Someone in my telegram, Geopolitics & Empire Telegram channel, chat was saying, “Oh, the Canada trucker convoy is a sigh up by the elites to really take down the supply chain.” And I just kind of wanted to address this issue where, there’s a lot of people on… I’m sure you’re listeners, my listeners and other folks, they have very partisan views and I’ve got my own views, but I’m not banging it over the head of anyone.

And as you said, you listen to my last three episodes. And obviously you don’t disagree with these people, but you kind of just sit there and just, listen. And I don’t think there’s a lot of folks that are going about things in a way that I think is not very healthy. They’ll comment, “Oh, no. There’s no virus, stop talk about germ theory.”

Others going to say, ‘No, it’s gain of function.” Or Kazakhstan, for example they say, “No, it’s a color revolution.” And you saw my take where I gave a very nuanced view. And today it was reported in Kazakhstan that there were Kazakh citizens trying to tell Kazakh authorities that they’re seeing terrorists and armed groups like months before what was happening.

That lends credence to the idea that maybe it was a false flag or an internal coup. And so what would you say? I think it’s like, “Bro chill.” We have to be a bit more respectful and nuanced, and there’s a lot of people that are just angry, hateful. And what are your thoughts on this needing to [crosstalk 00:40:15].

James Corbett:

I know what you’re saying. There’s a couple of different things I’d like to say about that. One is never, ever, ever take at face value interactions that you have online with avatars that you don’t see and don’t know.

Because we know, 100%, we know that there are armies of social media bots that are being run by militaries and intelligence agencies around the world. Documented on a record. I did a podcast on that a couple of years ago, the weaponization of social media.

People can check into for the documented, we know country after country, Canada, America, Israel, all of them have botnets that they employ. So don’t ever take interactions online as authentic expressions of real human beings. We don’t know that, necessarily.

But secondarily, there are people I think, who are genuinely acting in and interacting the way that you say. And here’s the way I would frame this. So think about… All right. So I play a bit of guitar and imagine you’re learning guitar and you know three or four chords and someone teaches you a new chord.

“Oh, here’s a B7.” Woo B7, awesome. So what do you do as the sort of you’re trying to figure out what, how to play and what to do. And so now you’ve got this new chord. So now you tried to put B7 in every song and everything you play. “Hey, I’m going to use this B7 chord. Wow! Look at this chord.” I understand and it’s a natural part of growing.

So unfortunately, as we know, not everyone is intellectually firing on all cylinders and not everyone’s a deep researcher, deep thinker, or what have you. And a lot of people who are just sort of the mainstream masses, who would just consume CNN 20 years ago, now realize it, the very least, okay, CNN’s wrong. And so they start to learn about false flag operations and CyOps and these kinds of things.

And so it’s like teaching someone the B7 chord. Okay, B7. So now they’re going to play that. That chord every single time, it’s a CyOps, it’s a CyOps, it’s a false flag. Because it’s the one thing that they know how to do.

And so let’s, particularize this to the freedom convoy thing. If people go again and read that editorial, I talk about do not go back to sleep, this is not the end. Of course, I acknowledge absolutely this can go wrong in a lot of different ways, but it always can. You can’t think of any freedom movement or protest or anything that could not be co-opted, could not be corrupted, could not be used for an ulterior agenda.

So let’s think truckers, and now suddenly truckers have become synonymous with this freedom movement and it’s all the truckers. And now we’re starting to see people in America and Australia and other places talking about truckers and we’ll have a trucker freedom convoy. It’s all about trucker, trucker, trucker, which is a weird way of particularizing this. No, it’s actually about the broader question of mandates and freedom and what have you.

Why is it being particularized to truckers? Well, one way that could play out, what do we know has already been tested and is already being implemented in various ways. Autonomous self-driving trucks specifically. In fact, the first cross country, American autonomous vehicle that I ever heard about actually being tested and used was a truck, specifically for trucking.

I mean that’s so long term. If we’re going to demonize a certain class of people in order to facilitate the removal of their industry, essentially, wouldn’t that be a convenient tool? Sure. That’s one way that could play out, at least in the long term. Or at the very least, if we all associate it with the truckers and what the truckers are doing, then it can become only about that particular, that class or that person or that thing. And that could be spun in various ways by the people who are controlling the narrative, the mass media.

So, yes, could it be a CyOps a false flag. We’re going to implant some protestors with Nazi flags and Confederate flags. And as people in Canada, of course, they always marching with Confederate flags, right? That’s such so natural, of course, they’ll plant provocateur and all sorts of things. As we know, they have done 2007 SPP protests in Montebello, Quebec. They were caught. The go back provincial place.

They facilitated Quebec, put in agent provocateurs to go in there, threatening the police line with rocks in their hands, in order to promote a police response. They got called out, but it happens. Absolutely. And it can happen and presumably will happen in any movement of any size and importance.

So, what’s the point of this? There are clearly genuinely hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people in Canada energized and talking about the freedom mandates, not every one of them is an agent provocateur. I’m sure there are many people… Canadians in the crowd, listening to this who know genuine people or they themselves genuinely support what is happening here.

In the idea and freedom mandate, freedom. Yay, I’m behind this idea. So it’s up to us to put that message out there and to expose the false flags and CyOps and the way that they will try to spin it into some other narrative.

It is not up to us to sit there and wait for the CBC and the CDV and other mainstream outlets to please report this in the way we want you to report it. That’s not their job. In the end of the day, you’re not their boss. So we have to be that.

And for this brief sliver of time, think of the vast expanse of human history for the last 20 or so years, it has been genuinely feasible for some no name in Japan, sitting in his living room to reach tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, occasionally millions of people with a message so that we can put our own spin on things and say, “No, no, it isn’t that. It’s this.”

We can actually direct this narrative. It is in some ways, the most exciting time in all of human history. And we are not spectators to what’s happening. And we are not on the sidelines analyzing and just, “Oh, B7, B7, B7. False flag, CyOps, CyOps, false flag.

No, we are actually people who can make a difference to this world changing historical narrative that is playing out right now. And we can tell that story for ourselves. We don’t have to wait for them to do it. It’s an exciting time to be alive. It’s an incredibly dangerous time. There’s all sorts of things that can happen. But at any rate we have a part to play in this.

Geopolitics & Empire:

Yeah, I would agree. It’s exciting. And it’s what we’re doing. It’s fun and as I’ve mentioned before, I feel like it’s the 1930s, again. It’s incredibly dangerous as well. And you started a great solutions watch series.

And I often end my interviews by asking my guests, so what do we do now? And the most frequent answers I get from many of my guests are, decentralized, move from urban to rural. Grow food, have your own water form, a community, very important. Invest in physical assets become less dependent and more independence.

And I’m also worried about the cyber pandemic, that’s in the pipe and censorship, I didn’t have time to ask you about that, but it seems like we’re going to have to be dealing with it. They’re discussing, taking down podcasts now, and even the platforming websites, like these are our last lines of defense.

I think our podcasts and, and websites, that’s why I moved to epic hosting, but I think part of this Joe Rogan scandal now is they’ve been talking for a signaling for the last few years, the establishment that they want to, they, they can’t control podcasts. So in general, what are some of your… What do we do going forward?

James Corbett:

Yeah. Thank you for picking up on that actually, because that’s actually, I talked about the midterm agenda of CBDCs and the long term agenda of some sort of hot war. I think the short term is actually cyber. Cyber related, cyber pandemic, or cyber false flag or something along those lines to lead us towards greater control of the internet.

So yes, the question as always. Okay, great. Lots of problems we know about the problems, James. What do you do about them? So that is why I did start the solutions watch series where every week, week in and week out, I’m looking at specific things that people can do or apply in their lives to make their lives better.

I do not believe there’s a silver bullet. I think there are thousands bullets and not every bullet works for every person, because they have different guns to extend that analogy way too far. But at any rate, use whatever you can to improve your life in whatever ways you can.

And hopefully, if people who are consciously setting their intent on getting out of the systems and strictures of control can find ways to do so. And so I look get various ways. So, for example, on the cyber pandemic and the threats to the internet, as we’ve known it and the very real threat to podcasting in the future, I’ve seen that absolutely for the past couple of years.

“Oh, no, podcasts. People can say whatever they want. Oh, please, someone censor.” Well, there’s different ways that that can happen. And of them is that the easiest censorship point will be the Spotifys, the Apple Podcast, the Google Pod, of course, all the centralized hubs where people go to get podcasts will be censored, first of all.

But that isn’t actually really at base how podcasting even works at base podcasting is based on RSS, Real Simple Syndication, which you do not need to go through the Apple Store or Spotify or whatever, to get a podcast. You can go directly to a website or as long as you have that RSS feed, you can plug that into any number of different applications and you will be able to get that podcast delivered to you.

So that’s a one like basic fallback step that we can take. It’s not the solution, but it’s a step away from that centralization of control. Learn about RSS and what it is and how it works. And suddenly even if they take the corporate report or Geopolitics & Empire or of Apple podcasts or whatever, you’ll still be able to get the podcast. Wouldn’t that be nice?

So steps like that. And then you build up from there. Okay, well they’re going to come after domains. So is there a way to because the domain name system is like the telephone, a book for the internet. If they take away the telephone book, I won’t be able to call corporate report.com.

Well, okay. So what can we do about that? There are decentralized domain ideas, the dot crypto addresses and others that are, do not rely on the DNS system and thus cannot be just scrubbed at the whim of a nation state. Things like that. But then, they’re going to come for the infrastructure of the worldwide web itself.

They’re going to make you scanned to get on the web. And so, okay. So can we bypass the ISPs? Can we go, do we need the worldwide web? What about IPFS or some of these other ways of connecting peer to peer? Like, the internet is supposed to be used, but we’ve all just been conditioned into thinking Facebook and TikTok are, is the internet, right? No, no, that is not the internet.

So we have to start learning about that. If you’re talking about vaccine mandates, I’ve done an entire post about different ways to protest or fight against or work around vaccine mandates. If you are talking about the CBDC agenda and digital currency and all of this.

I’ve talked about cash Fridays or Black Market Fridays, different ways to start increasing your… Decreasing your reliance on digital forms of exchange and increasing and your reliance on things like cash, which still exists for the time being.

And we can still use while we still have it, etcetera, etcetera. For everything that we have talked about today, there are things that are being done, there are people that are working on ideas. There are things that you can start implementing in your life today. The only question is, are you interested in that? And if you are then go out there and start finding and let me know about it too, because I’m always looking for ideas for solutions watch.

Geopolitics & Empire:

Yeah. No. You also did a episode on RSS, which I remember looking at. All right, apart from Corbettreport.com, is there any other website or project you’re working on that we should know about?

James Corbett:

I think that’s the place to go. And from there, you can find all of my minds and odyssey, and all my channels and everything, but just go to corbettreport.com for the time being that is the place to go. But also on the sidebar at the very bottom, there’s a Corbett report on IPFS where you can click and you can get the IPFS backup of the Corbett report site.

All of the audio and video is backed up. I believe it hasn’t backed up since last April because my site map broke, and I haven’t had time to fix it. I’m going to do that. And when it does it’ll update again. At any rate, if the corporate report suddenly disappeared overnight, well, at least all of the audio and video is backed up on IPFS.

Geopolitics & Empire:

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James Corbett:

Thank you for having me on and good luck for the podcast. I’m glad to see you growing and expanding what you do. I appreciate it.

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The Corbett Report is edited, webmastered, written, produced and hosted by James Corbett.

An award-winning investigative journalist, James Corbett has lectured on geopolitics at the University of Groningen’s Studium Generale, and delivered presentations on open source journalism at The French Institute for Research in Computer Science and Automation’s fOSSa conference, at TedXGroningen and at Ritsumeikan University in Kyoto.

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